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One of the worst things I think I saw the Taliban do that was not terrorist-related was the destruction of the Buddhist statues in the Bamiyan Valley. These were extraordinary things, nearly 2,000 years old, and recalled the Hindu Kush region's pre-Islamic past.

Even if you do not agree with the particular ideology, there is something about ancient societies' treasures ... there's something about the connection with another era that makes them special, valuable.

And the national museum of the cradle of human civilisation has literally been cleaned out of every single thing that could be carried

Link here.

7,000 years of history spirited away. Now that's just fvcking sickening. I can only hope curators will try to think of them not as stolen, but <liberated.>


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They also say this may be a bunch of shit, and that stuff was missing since the 91 war.

If you remeber when the lights went out in NY back in 66 or so, there was so much looting, that the jails were full and had to let people run amok until the power went on.

And of course there is rodney king thing, where some of our misunderstood stand up americans in south central LA looted for about a week.

CNN or what I like to call tradgedy tv, has to blow this shit up because of their reporters non reporting of atrocities.
 
well,they`ll just have to search all the coalition troops....the bastards
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Maybe we can send one of our fine American artist over there - the one who painted a piece of (art) with elephant sh!t on Christ. Hung in a museum supported by the liberals with American tax paying money. Pathetic
 
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The example of "piss Christ" by Robert Maplethorpe is over-used and is an isolated example of NEA funding going to a marginalized artist (who did have some very good work).

There's no reason whatsoever to assume that all funding for the arts goes to such "offensive" material.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
They also say this may be a bunch of shit, and that stuff was missing since the 91 war.

If you remeber when the lights went out in NY back in 66 or so, there was so much looting, that the jails were full and had to let people run amok until the power went on.



And of course there is rodney king thing, where some of our misunderstood stand up americans in south central LA looted for about a week.

CNN or what I like to call tradgedy tv, has to blow this shit up because of their reporters non reporting of atrocities.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pat

was surfing thru for some war coverage and landed on Fox news. When the Iraq ambassador was leaving he walked to his car turned around and came back to give Richard a CNN reporter the 2 kiss goodbye. Fox aired that and pointed it out.

Pretty funny stuff by Fox.
 

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Phaedrus - Could you imagine how the Arab world would view the US if they saw a picture of the US arresting an Iraqi citizen????????????????
They would hate us more than they do now. The US did a great job of staying out of this.

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Russert sure showed his true colors yesterday with Rummy. Rummy laughed while answering his stupid question - it was great!!

Is there a conservative anywhere in the media except on FOX? Shows their desparation to try find something wrong with this war.

Rummy vs. the elite media - it don't get any more lopsided than that!!!
 
LMFAO! The liberals don't even want the police in US cities to arrest thieves now they want Marines to arrest Iraqi civilians.

Too fukin funny. The Marines are suppose to maintain their own security and run down thieves also. See how utopians see things. It's impossible. Police work and marine soldiers provide 2 different functions. You don't want Marines out there trying to arrest people for theft.
 

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Actually outandup, you semi-literate tool, if you look at my post I said nothing about whether or not I considered it the responsibility of the US Marines to protect the museum. I was expressing sincere dismay at the loss and destruction of relics from human history which cannot be replaced.

I don't think it's the Marines' responsibility to police Iraq any more than I thought it was their responsibility to invade it. Give it time; each "regime change" goes a little worse than the last one, and since Afghanistan is already coming unraveled and the US is already turning it's eyes to Syria, I imagine in a year or so the news from the Tigris-Euphrates Valley will be nothing if not fun.


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What is a someone who makes 50 bux a year going to do with artifacts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? My guess is sell it to the highest bidder. Chances are these artifacts will NOT be destroyed, but find themselves in the Norton Simon museum or Bill Gates house. So it's not the same thing as the Buddhist statues that were destroyed by the taliban. And if a poor iraqi wants to make some money on the side selling a 1000 year old piece of ceramic, more power to him because i for one don't really give a sh't about it and neither should you.
 
Phaeduxs,
Your rambling is worthless to me.

Just think Bush for a job well done.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>LMFAO! The liberals don't even want the police in US cities to arrest thieves <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the hell are you talking about?
 

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Another one for my hooked-on-phonics friend, outandup ...

Burning the History of Iraq
by ROBERT FISK

Baghdad.

So yesterday was the burning of books. First came the looters, then the arsonists. It was the final chapter in the sacking of Baghdad. The National Library and Archives ? a priceless treasure of Ottoman historical documents, including the old royal archives of Iraq, were turned to ashes in 3,000 degrees of heat. Then the library of Korans at the Ministry of Religious Endowment was set ablaze.

I saw the looters. One of them cursed me when I tried to reclaim a book of Islamic law from a boy of no more than 10. Amid the ashes of Iraqi history, I found a file blowing in the wind outside: pages of handwritten letters between the court of Sharif Hussein of Mecca, who started the Arab revolt against the Turks for Lawrence of Arabia, and the Ottoman rulers of Baghdad.

And the Americans did nothing. All over the filthy yard they blew, letters of recommendation to the courts of Arabia, demands for ammunition for troops, reports on the theft of camels and attacks on pilgrims, all in delicate hand-written Arabic script. I was holding in my hands the last Baghdad vestiges of Iraq's written history. But for Iraq, this is Year Zero; with the destruction of the antiquities in the Museum of Achaeology in Baghdad on Saturday and the burning of the National Archives and then the Koranic library, the cultural identity of Iraq is being erased. Why? Who set these fires? For what insane purpose is this heritage being destroyed?

When I caught sight of the Koranic library burning--flames 100 feet high were bursting from the windows--I raced to the offices of the occupying power, the US Marines' Civil Affairs Bureau. An officer shouted to a colleague that "this guy says some biblical [sic] library is on fire". I gave the map location, the precise name--in Arabic and English. I said the smoke could be seen from three miles away and it would take only five minutes to drive there. Half an hour later, there wasn't an American at the scene--and the flames were shooting 200 feet into the air.

There was a time when the Arabs said that their books were written in Cairo, printed in Beirut and read in Baghdad. Now they burn libraries in Baghdad. In the National Archives were not just the Ottoman records of the Caliphate, but even the dark years of the country's modern history, handwritten accounts of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, with personal photographs and military diaries,and microfiche copies of Arabic newspapers going back to the early 1900s. But the older files and archives were on the upper floors of the library where petrol must have been used to set fire so expertly to the building. The heat was such that the marble flooring had buckled upwards and the concrete stairs that I climbedhad been cracked.

The papers on the floor were almost too hot to touch, bore no print or writing, and crumbled into ash the moment I picked them up. Again, standing in this shroud of blue smoke and embers, I asked the same question: why? So, as an all-too-painful reflection on what this means, let me quote from the shreds of paper that I found on the road outside, blowing in the wind, written by long-dead men who wrote to the Sublime Porte in Istanbul or to the Court of Sharif of Mecca with expressions of loyalty and who signed themselves "your slave". There was a request to protect a camel convoy of tea, rice and sugar, signed by Husni Attiya al-Hijazi (recommending Abdul Ghani-Naim and Ahmed Kindi as honest merchants), a request for perfume and advice from Jaber al-Ayashi of the royal court of Sharif Hussein to Baghdad to warn of robbers in the desert. "This is just to give you our advice for which you will be highly rewarded," Ayashi says. "If you don't take our advice, then we have warned you." A touch of Saddam there, I thought. The date was 1912.

Some of the documents list the cost of bullets, military horses and artillery for Ottoman armies in Baghdad and Arabia, others record the opening of the first telephone exchange in the Hejaz--soon to be Saudi Arabia--while one recounts, from the village of Azrak in modern-day Jordan, the theft of clothes from a camel train by Ali bin Kassem, who attacked his interrogators "with a knife and tried to stab them but was restrained and later bought off". There is a 19th-century letter of recommendation for a merchant, Yahyia Messoudi, "a man of the highest morals, of good conduct and who works with the [Ottoman] government." This, in other words, was the tapestry of Arab history--all that is left of it, which fell into The Independent's hands as the mass of documents crackled in the immense heat of the ruins.

King Faisal of the Hejaz, the ruler of Mecca, whose staff are the authors of many of the letters I saved, was later deposed by the Saudis. His son Faisel became king of Iraq--Winston Churchill gave him Baghdad after the French threw him out of Damascus--and his brother Abdullah became the first king of Jordan, the father of King Hussein and the grandfather of the present-day Jordanian monarch, King Abdullah II.

For almost a thousand years, Baghdad was the cultural capital of the Arab world, the most literate population in the Middle East. Genghis Khan's grandson burnt the city in the 13th century and, so it was said, the Tigris river ran black with the ink of books. Yesterday, the black ashes of thousands of ancient documents filled the skies of Iraq.

Why?"

How this equates to you as, as you said in another thread "people stealing a few chairs from government buildings" is beyond me, but of course you have an incredible ability to overlook even basic facts on any subject (semi-literate tool that you are.)

And while I, again, do not think it is neccessarily the responsibility of the United States armed forces to police the streets of Baghdad, we are inarguably the ones that let the genie out of the bottle here.

While you're thanking your president for a job well done, consider his very own words on the matter, in a speech to the American Enterprise Institute on 28 February this very year:

"If we must use force, the United States and our coalition stand ready to help the citizens of a liberated Iraq.

We will provide security against those who try to spread chaos, or settle scores, or threaten the territorial integrity of Iraq

We will ensure that one brutal dictator is not replaced by another.

Protecting those boundaries carries a cost. The dangers are real, as our soldiers, and sailors, airmen, and Marines fully understand. Yet, no military has ever been better prepared to meet these challenges.

And I know something about these men and women who wear our uniform: they will complete every mission they are given with skill, and honor, and courage."

(thanks to KillerWatermelon for bringing this up in a previous thread.)

I'd call you a disgrace to conservatism, but I doubt the conservatives would have you if they knew you were hanging around.


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Phaedrus...before you get to carried away.A lot of sources say that what was "stolen" from the museum, was missing long ago from Saddam taking everything that was worthwhile and also some stuff was missing after the 91 war...Its hard to shed to many tears when the US just bombed them UP to the stone age...If thats the worse that happens to that country from here on out they are lucky....Just like WW2 France they had hid all their shit before the Germans got there...but then agin they are use to it.
 
FSB & RFC,
I stand by the statement that liberals don't want the police arrest Americans for theft. Hell they want them to have 20 strikes (felonies) before life in prison.
 
Phaedux,
You're sure a piece of shit. This war has set millions free and was the right thing to do.

It takes time to transit from war to peace keeping. Give the US a fukin break. The looting was nothing new. It happens in all wars of liberation.
 
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The liberals don't even want the police in US cities to arrest thieves


Seriously, where do you read this stuff??
 

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